Legislature(2007 - 2008)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/04/2008 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ SB 218 CHILD SAFETY SEATS & SEAT BELTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 218(FIN) Out of Committee
+= SB 226 VEXATIOUS LITIGANTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 226 Out of Committee
+= HB 326 MILITIA & NAT'L GUARD FIGHT WILDLAND FIRE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 326(FIN) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 326(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act authorizing the governor  to order the organized                                                                   
     militia  into active  state  service  to fight  wildland                                                                   
     fire,  authorizing  the  governor  to  delegate  to  the                                                                   
     adjutant  general the authority  to order the  organized                                                                   
     militia  into active  state  service  to fight  wildland                                                                   
     fire,  and authorizing  the payment  of Alaska  National                                                                   
     Guard  called   into  active  state  service   to  fight                                                                   
     wildland fire  at rates of  pay established  for certain                                                                   
     emergency fire-fighting personnel;  and providing for an                                                                   
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  described this as  a first hearing  for the                                                                   
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MCHUGH PIERRE,  LEGISLATIVE LIAISON,  DEPARTMENT OF  MILITARY                                                                   
AND VETERANS AFFAIRS,  presented an overview of  the bill. He                                                                   
remarked that  the history of  the bill started in  2004 when                                                                   
there were a record  number of wild land forest  fires in the                                                                   
state.  When the  fire fighting  resources in  the state  are                                                                   
stretched  thin, and extra  help is  needed, the Division  of                                                                   
Forestry calls on the National Guard.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:35:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked how many times the  National Guard is                                                                   
called  to fight fires  and wondered  if this  will have  any                                                                   
effect on  the civilian  side. Mr.  Pierre responded  that it                                                                   
will  not affect  the civilian  sector at  all. The  National                                                                   
Guard is the last line of defense called during a fire.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:36:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas noted  that this sounds like an  equal pay for                                                                   
equal work situation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:36:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins  noted that a  Chief Warrant Officer  5 would                                                                   
have a  higher daily rate than  a Colonel (06),  which seemed                                                                   
odd to him.  Mr. Pierre agreed  but noted that rarely would a                                                                   
Colonel or  Lt. Colonel  work the fire  line. The  usual crew                                                                   
staffing is one  Blackhawk helicopter, one pilot  in command,                                                                   
a second  pilot and one Chief  Engineer or crew  officer. The                                                                   
highest  ranking  person on  the  fire  line is  usually  the                                                                   
pilot, a  Chief Warrant Officer  3 or 4. The  civilians hired                                                                   
to do  the same  job may  be receiving  more than double  the                                                                   
salary.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:38:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins  noted  that "full  timers"  complicate  the                                                                   
situation.  The "full timers"  may possibly  be taking  a pay                                                                   
cut  from their  civilian job  to  fight a  fire. Mr.  Pierre                                                                   
agreed but  the goal of the bill  is to make sure  that there                                                                   
are traditional National Guard  personnel responding to these                                                                   
fires. National  Guard members  under federal pay  would move                                                                   
to  a State  pay  rate when  fighting  fires  resulting in  a                                                                   
possible pay cut.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:39:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins  reported that  often guardsmen have  to take                                                                   
leave to fight a fire. Mr. Pierre  agreed that can happen. He                                                                   
explained that  within the National Guard only  about fifteen                                                                   
percent of  the personnel  are full time.  They are  either a                                                                   
technician  under federal  pay  or Active  Guard and  Reserve                                                                   
(AGR) on federal pay. If a National  Guard member is asked to                                                                   
take on  a mission, they  would have  to file for  leave from                                                                   
their civilian job.  He reiterated that at present  the full-                                                                   
timers take most  these jobs therefore part-timers  have less                                                                   
opportunity  to  receive the  training  to be  successful  on                                                                   
missions. The  part timers, who  make up the majority  of the                                                                   
National Guard, would love to be able to participate.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:41:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins remarked  that it is a worthy goal  but it is                                                                   
unfortunate that many National  Guard are mandatorily told to                                                                   
report which requires  them to take leave or  a vacation from                                                                   
their civilian job.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:41:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  wondered  if   civilian  employers  would  be                                                                   
adversely affected  when National Guard employees  leave work                                                                   
to fight fires. Mr. Pierre remarked  that the department does                                                                   
not mandate  National Guard personnel  respond to a  fire but                                                                   
has made it  strictly volunteer. He revealed  that there have                                                                   
been no  complaints from  employers in  local communities  so                                                                   
far.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:42:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson questioned  what  other states  do in  similar                                                                   
situations. Mr.  Pierre responded that other  states react in                                                                   
same way. The state would activate  their members on a "state                                                                   
active duty  rate" which varies  form state to  state. Alaska                                                                   
has not  updated its  active duty  rates recently.  The state                                                                   
has noticed that  state active duty rates and  National Guard                                                                   
federal  rates  do  not  match.   Mr.  Pierre  expressed  the                                                                   
importance  of seeing  that all  are paid  evenly across  the                                                                   
board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:43:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Elton asked  if this  bill  requires the  department                                                                   
perform specialized  training for  fire fighting.  Mr. Pierre                                                                   
replied  that   the  current   bill  does  not   require  any                                                                   
additional training above the  military training. He reported                                                                   
that those  who respond to wild  fires only respond  in their                                                                   
trained capacity.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:44:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pierre appreciated the time of the Committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:45:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  MOVED to  REPORT  CSHB  226 (FIN)  out  of                                                                   
Committee  with individual  recommendations and  accompanying                                                                   
fiscal notes. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CSHB  326 (FIN)  was REPORTED  out  of Committee  with a  "do                                                                   
pass" recommendation  and previously  published fiscal  notes                                                                   
from  the Department  of  Administration,  the Department  of                                                                   
Military Affairs and the Department of Natural Resources.                                                                       

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